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Subscribe to topics and forums to get automatic updates. Get your own profile and make new friends. Customize your experience here Get the latest facts on the new NY SAFE gun laws that effect you! A few things: 1) the manufacturer should be able to help you.
If they cannot, no one else can help you-or get your in trouble. Lol 2) pre-ban vs. Post ban does still matter for other states.
3) I believe it may be.possible. for you to have a 1994-2013 one evil feature gun, register it, then add the evil features you you want after the fact.
4) The law is the only thing you can go. The people answering the 'hotline' do not know what they're talking about, nor do they represent the state's 'official interpretation,' even if it did matter. It would be like calling up the IRS for tax advice over the phone.
Contrary to the beliefs of some on this forum. A few things: 1) the manufacturer should be able to help you. If they cannot, no one else can help you-or get your in trouble.
Lol 2) pre-ban vs. Post ban does still matter for other states. 3) I believe it may be.possible. for you to have a 1994-2013 one evil feature gun, register it, then add the evil features you you want after the fact. 4) The law is the only thing you can go. The people answering the 'hotline' do not know what they're talking about, nor do they represent the state's 'official interpretation,' even if it did matter. It would be like calling up the IRS for tax advice over the phone.
Contrary to the beliefs of some on this forum. Under the current law it either has enough features to merit it an AW or does not. Past configurations do not matter. You can have an AR-15 manufactured in 2000 with a collapsable stock, threaded muzzle brake, etc. Currently (since Jan 15 when the SAFE act became the law of NY).
There is nothing in the SAFE act -the rule of law that says contrary. That AR would simply be identified as having the features that make it an AW under the SAFE act and it will need to be registered by the legal deadline (or moved out of state). Until that time any configurations under past expired laws are not applicable.
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You either have an AW under current law or do not. (and that is what the SP investigators on the SAFE act hotline have been confirming, it is in the actual written law). By the way all this is effective immediately as the law is currently in effect. The law doesn't change upon registration, they just don't have the process set up. Preban/postban is currently an invalid notion. Which is why the advisement is that you can currently make those changes in this 'grace period' until registration is implemented (the forms should be available April 2013 per info from the governor's office).
There is nothing in the law that says you can't change parts on your rifles-something that is a large part of the gun 'hobby'. Nothing in the actual bill says that you have to have the gun in it's 'old -now defunct-law' state for registration under the new law. A 2000 manufacture AR with a collapsible stock on Jan.14, 2013 would be illegal, but on Jan.
16, 2013 it is simply an AR that has a feature that makes it an AW under the current law and must be registered. Just as 30 round pre-1994 manufactured magazines were legal on Jan. 14, 2013, and will not be on Jan 16, 2014. Edited by Destro, February 18 2013 - 01:11 PM. To my understanding, it does. If he registers the rifle next year and it has some of the previous features that were banned (bayo lug, flash hider.etc) yet allowed on his rifle since it was manufactured before Sept 13, 1994, then he's good to go. If he attempts to register a 'post ban' rifle with those same features on it, then he's NOT good to go.
This is how I understand the new law to be. Perhaps I'm dead wrong but I don't see in the new law where it states that we all can now disregard the old 'Post ban/Pre ban' and slap all the features we want on our old 'post ban' rifles before registering them. In simplier terms.if your rifle was in legal configuration before this new UNSAFE law, then it should be legal to register it as is.someone correct me if I'm wrong and please supply where it states such in the new unconstitutional UNSAFE act. CORRECT.V IF IT WAS LEGAL BEFORE YOU CAN REGISTER IT, IF IT WAS NOT YOU CANNOT 'UPGRADE'. CORRECT.V IF IT WAS LEGAL BEFORE YOU CAN REGISTER IT, IF IT WAS NOT YOU CANNOT 'UPGRADE' Incorrect. The prior legality under a law that no longer exists has nothing to do with. There is no 'freeze' on configurations or changing features in this registration grace period (the things that determined it's legality under the old law that no longer exists).
You can adapt your gun under the current legal definition. Right now you can take what was a post ban rifle under the old AWB go to a range with a collapsible stock, and all the bells and whistles on it (and there have been at local ranges). Nothing in the SAFE act says it's illegal, it's an AW. The State Police have also reinforced this interpretation. The registration does not take account any configuration your rife may have been under a no longer existent law (registration doesn't even care about inspection of said rifle).
You either meet the criteria for an AW under the SAFE act and require registration by the legal deadline or you don;t. Nothing says you can't add parts or changes parts.
It either meets the criteria for an AW under the current law or it doesn't. To put it in simpler terms, there is nothing under the current law that says you can't have a 2000 AR with a collapsible stock and threaded barrel or build a stripped lower you had into one with all the features. Under the law it is an AW, and will have to be registered, but nothing prohibits it in this grace period. Edited by Destro, February 18 2013 - 06:38 PM.
Right now you can take what was a post ban rifle under the old AWB go to a range with a collapsible stock, and all the bells and whistles on it (and there have been at local ranges). Nothing in the SAFE act says it's illegal, it's an AW.The registration does not take account any configuration your rife may have been under a no longer existent law (registration doesn't even care about inspection of said rifle). This is good to know. I was still hedging with 'possibly' because the SAFE Act defines assault weapons as: (A), (, and © - Rifles, Shotguns, and Pistols with one evil feature. (D) a revolving cylinder shotgun; (E) pre-1994 assault weapons with two or more evil features, which were already owned; (F) 9/94 through 1/15/13 assault weapons with just one evil feature, which were already owned; However, you can get an exception for 'ANY WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (E) OR (F) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND ANY LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT WAS LEGALLY POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE SAFE ACT' A careful reading of this would mean you can't register something you didn't legally possess before.
You'd have to register first, then do the adding of evil features. But, if the 'legally possessed' phrase only applies to the hi-cap mags, you'd be good to go-an amnesty of illegal AWs, if you will. The prior legality under a law that no longer exists has nothing to do with. There is no 'freeze' on configurations or changing features in this registration grace period (the things that determined it's legality under the old law that no longer exists). You can adapt your gun under the current legal definition.
Right now you can take what was a post ban rifle under the old AWB go to a range with a collapsible stock, and all the bells and whistles on it (and there have been at local ranges). Nothing in the SAFE act says it's illegal, it's an AW. The State Police have also reinforced this interpretation. The registration does not take account any configuration your rife may have been under a no longer existent law (registration doesn't even care about inspection of said rifle). You either meet the criteria for an AW under the SAFE act and require registration by the legal deadline or you don;t.
Nothing says you can't add parts or changes parts. It either meets the criteria for an AW under the current law or it doesn't. To put it in simpler terms, there is nothing under the current law that says you can't have a 2000 AR with a collapsible stock and threaded barrel or build a stripped lower you had into one with all the features. Under the law it is an AW, and will have to be registered, but nothing prohibits it in this grace period. Well I certainly dont want to be right so I hope you are! I ordered & paid for a an m203 GL BEFORE Jan.
15 can I have it transferred? This is good to know. I was still hedging with 'possibly' because the SAFE Act defines assault weapons as: (A), (, and © - Rifles, Shotguns, and Pistols with one evil feature. (D) a revolving cylinder shotgun; (E) pre-1994 assault weapons with two or more evil features, which were already owned; (F) 9/94 through 1/15/13 assault weapons with just one evil feature, which were already owned; However, you can get an exception for 'ANY WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (E) OR (F) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND ANY LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT WAS LEGALLY POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE SAFE ACT' A careful reading of this would mean you can't register something you didn't legally possess before. You'd have to register first, then do the adding of evil features. But, if the 'legally possessed' phrase only applies to the hi-cap mags, you'd be good to go-an amnesty of illegal AWs, if you will.
Yes, the SAFE act specifies the AW must have been purchased prior to the 15th in order to be registered (in any case no new AW are allowed for sale after the 15th). (practical enforcement of this proof is moot as private sales for many years in NY legally did not require any bill of sale or check). However, you can adapt to the law. Nothing says your rifle has to be 'frozen' in a set configuration in the meanwhile for registration. The law is already in effect, it's just the registration system that isn't ready.
A collapsible stock was illegal under the law. 15 a collapsible stock made any AR an AW that must be registered under the law. Changing that stock on the same rifle is in compliance with the current law on both dates. Since the law went into effect Jan. 15 those rules apply, but since the registration forms and system is not ready yet the State Police (and nothing in the law contradicts this) are saying you may now add the features to any rifle that qualifies as an AW under the act, since through the feature count an AW is an AW. The adding or changing of features can happen effective immediately prior to registration which is a voluntary form that requires no inspection of said gun (and this is what the SP hotline has been simply confirming, which is consistent with the written law, which we all agree trumps any other information).
Edited by Destro, February 18 2013 - 08:02 PM.